tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-833547834321864748.post697554135281433845..comments2023-10-31T01:42:26.102+11:00Comments on Fringe Faith: The TrinityAnonymoushttp://www.blogger.com/profile/03059054907843482358noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-833547834321864748.post-70634030860207680362010-05-31T09:03:44.873+10:002010-05-31T09:03:44.873+10:00Thank you Peter.
LizThank you Peter.<br /><br />LizAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03059054907843482358noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-833547834321864748.post-41220599522935700132010-05-31T07:25:55.284+10:002010-05-31T07:25:55.284+10:00Great post on a very difficult to understand conce...Great post on a very difficult to understand concept!Peter Phttp://blog.hafchurch.org/peternoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-833547834321864748.post-67384781770496824642010-04-12T20:19:41.291+10:002010-04-12T20:19:41.291+10:00Hi David,
In something I was reading for uni the ...Hi David,<br /><br />In something I was reading for uni the other day, I came across one of my favourite statements I have ever read in a book. It was Thomas a Kempis - I would far rather feel contrition than be able to define it. Of course, I had read it before, because I read that book on your recommendation. I was so excited at seeing that sentece there, that I read it out to my son. Who just looked at me with one of his 'Mum's acting crazy again' looks. <br /><br />Just because someone is an academic does not mean they are not truly a man or woman of God. Many people who want to teach or study theology do so from their love of God. And from what I've seen so far, most of the people studying theology are just as concerned with living their faith as they are with studying it. <br /><br />I don't have a problem in accepting those two statements of Christ. And I don't have a problem believing in the Trinity. It's just when I'm trying to explain it or think about it in earthly terms that I run into problems. <br /><br />But I personally think that is always the case when we are speaking about God. God is always beyond our complete understanding. You do have to reach a stage where you just accept things on faith. Instead of trying to explain it all. <br /><br />But there is one thing that I think it's important for anyone who studies theology to remember. Faith is not the same as knowledge. You can spend a lifetime learning about faith, but still not have faith. Reading and studying theology doesn't make you a Christian. So when you say faith has to be lived, I completely agree with you. <br /><br />I study theology because that's what I like doing. And it's either that or waste a lifetime dancing around the lounge room to Bon Jovi songs with my children. <br /><br />LizAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03059054907843482358noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-833547834321864748.post-3867010809670573302010-04-12T19:01:29.071+10:002010-04-12T19:01:29.071+10:00Dear Liz,
Christ said two things that ring clear...Dear Liz, <br /><br />Christ said two things that ring clear in my head. <br /><br />He said. <br /><br />I and the Father are one. <br /><br />The Father is greater than I. <br /><br />To fully comprehend these two seemingly contradictory statements, you need an infusion of the Holy Ghost. <br /><br />They make perfect sense to me due to the hypostatic union. <br /><br />Studying theology at a university is not going to explain such things to you. Only true Catholic seminaries, monasteries and convents have a real grasp on these things. Primarily because people who join such institutions, give up their will. They give up their reason, and constant rationalisation of the faith. Faith is infused from above. It is not an academic pursuit. It has to be lived. And that solid faith that cannnot be disturbed which you seek? You will never find it at a modern university, because the people (lectures, professors, whatever they call themselves, are not truly men of God. They are academics). <br /><br />Hard core faith is the reward for souls who give up everything, including academic pursuits. <br /><br />If God wants to, He can infuse my soul with all knowledge of the mysteries of God. But as St Paul says, what does it profit me, if I speak with the tongues of angels but have not charity. <br /><br />Charity is giving. <br /><br />I would love nothing more in this life to sit and write for the rest of my life, but I know one thing. I am a lot wiser man for choosing to labour with my hands for a living. <br /><br />As St Teresa of Avila said, "I would rather speak to God than about Him." <br /><br />All that being written, continue with your studies, because, as St Teresa of Avila forgot to mention, it is better to speak about God than ignore Him or forget about Him completely. <br /><br />What she said has to be taken into context. She was speaking to people in religious life. She was probably sick to the teeth of them. As Fr Barrielle said, "She was a woman with balls." <br /><br />David ... <br />David ...Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03147136231746103831noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-833547834321864748.post-76615752344631852762010-04-12T08:50:15.365+10:002010-04-12T08:50:15.365+10:00Hi David,
I have read the water, steam and ice ex...Hi David,<br /><br />I have read the water, steam and ice explanation, either on your blog or your comments, before. To me, it still doesn't seem to quite explain it, but that may be because I don't understand the Trinity properly.<br /><br />It seems to suggest that God takes on different modes of being, rather than being three distinct persons. When water becomes ice, it ceases to be water. The same when it becomes steam. And when the three are all joined together, they're just water. Not water, ice and steam together. <br /><br />So in other words, the question this raises for me is, when Jesus went to join his Father, did he stop being Jesus? Or is he still a distinct person within the Godhead?<br /><br />However, it is a good explanation. And maybe I have a wrong understanding of the Trinity, which is why I have difficulties with it.<br /><br />I have a lot of books on Christianity. And there's probably not a single big Christian topic that I don't have at least one book on. I was thinking just then I don't have one single book on the Trinity. The only reason I'm thinking about it now is because it was part of my uni readings. <br /><br />LizAnonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03059054907843482358noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-833547834321864748.post-88377737307075591622010-04-12T03:54:32.371+10:002010-04-12T03:54:32.371+10:00Dear Liz,
The best metaphor for the Most Holy Tr...Dear Liz, <br /><br />The best metaphor for the Most Holy Trinity I ever heard was: water, steam and ice. <br /><br />They are all of the same essence, yet separate. Yet when combined can quite easily become one. And can become either three. <br /><br />The two best 'pieces' I have read on the Trinity are:<br /><br />1. The Preface of the Most Holy Trinity (from the 1962 Roman Missal [or any Missal predating it]). <br /><br />2. Blessed Dom Marmion's explanation of it in 'Christ, The Life of the Soul'.<br /><br />David ...Davidhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03147136231746103831noreply@blogger.com